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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2014, 09:14:44 PM »
DJI launch a couple of days ago - with Adam / Jamie (Mythbusters)

[video=youtube;TznaDRRC_lw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TznaDRRC_lw[/video]

It's quite funny - Adam gives his account of they investigated aerial vids and hired "experts" in, the reason he said it never quite worked out was that in short, too fiddly. He then goes to describe his observation that it was just a case of the many technologies "hacked" together instead of it being integrated like DJI had done.

I can just feel it - there's minds ticking in multiple locations around the world on how to profit from DJI's latest creation. And by that I mean, how much of it can they 'copy' that will sell well. Kongcopter has done it for Sky-Hero. E-flite / Tarot / etc etc has done it for the DJI Phantoms. All racer quads are variations of the first one that came out with that pancake cat look.

That is, I'm waiting for someone to clone the frame, since I really like the vertically slim body profile, and I think retractable motor mounts (which is what this actually does - the LG is just beside the point) similar to F-14 has immense potential. I like how there's also potential for ankermann controls. Currently it's just fixed point geometry or so it seems.

Exciting times :)
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2014, 09:51:16 AM »
Quote from: rchelijc;1603259



That is, I'm waiting for someone to clone the frame,

I'll have a working frame this week

But it wont have all the integrated tech on it, and therefore I have Zero chance of selling any

Its NOT the frame, Its not the retractable arms that sells this thing:

Here is why companies, like producers of myth busters, will buy the Inspire...
1, undo the box
2, charge the lipos
3, do a mag cal
4, hit the launch button

then anyone from their production crew can fly it around... the director can see (in HD) what the camera is seeing, he can even have a second controller to point the camera as he choices

and when the shot is done you hit the HOME button, put it in the box... repeat for next shot on another day


The fact that everything you need is fully integrated, easy to use, and simple to get set up and get working. That is why the photographic/cinemagraphic world will buy this thing. The marketing and design is aimed at them, not US, Not the RC enthusiast tat can fly, can assemble a frame, we know how to charge lipos and solder terminal and setup controllers etc.... They don't. And with the Inspire, they don't need to learn all that stuff

THEY outnumber US about 1000:1    THEY are the market, we are a bunch of amateurs that will also buy a few thousand of theses things

buy it, fly it, get the shot, put it away... And IF its lost or broken, it was still cheaper than hiring someone, or a boom rig for a day even...
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 09:53:45 AM by Deet »

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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2014, 09:55:05 AM »
ALSO of note

ALIGN are running 2 day seminars for new Align quad owners to assemble and configure the Align product

you don't need to spend 2 days on a course with the Inspire, training is not required, at all

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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2014, 11:31:57 AM »
Haven't seen anyone comment about this yet, but in this video you can see some serious camera shake when the arms are motorising upwards @ 1.16mins http://www.theverge.com/2014/11/12/7210621/dji-inspire-one
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 11:34:01 AM by Col »

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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2014, 12:30:55 PM »
Quote from: Deet;1603266
I'll have a working frame this week

But it wont have all the integrated tech on it, and therefore I have Zero chance of selling any

Its NOT the frame, Its not the retractable arms that sells this thing:


Deet, I meant it as

Here is why companies, like producers of myth busters, will buy the Inspire...
1, undo the box
2, charge the lipos
3, do a mag cal
4, hit the launch button

then anyone from their production crew can fly it around... the director can see (in HD) what the camera is seeing, he can even have a second controller to point the camera as he choices

and when the shot is done you hit the HOME button, put it in the box... repeat for next shot on another day

Deet, I meant someone might clone the frame to sell to us RC enthusiasts. The frame has potential. Just look at Sky-Hero - it wasn't really groundbreaking, but it did have a slightly unique look built on a slightly different idea. That was enough to get the cloners going.

And Sky-Hero wasn't even that popular then, because they were charging ridiculously high prices for the frame alone! I know that, because the Sky-Hero was the FIRST multi that caught my attention.

Link to my archeli thead here asking about the Sky-Hero: http://www.archeli.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=164375

Hmm... it must have been during a short break because my baby daughter was born couple of weeks before that..

However - this frame is unique. I'm not sure if you've ignored my previous post, I'll link here again: http://www.archeli.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=166512&p=1603193#post1603193

Can you find me another frame in production, that incorporates a heli-looking body and canopy construction? Can you tell me just from your opinion alone, no need for data, that my comments about it being more aerodynamic as a racer quad, is rubbish? And reasons?


Quote from: Deet;1603266
The fact that everything you need is fully integrated, easy to use, and simple to get set up and get working. That is why the photographic/cinemagraphic world will buy this thing. The marketing and design is aimed at them, not US, Not the RC enthusiast tat can fly, can assemble a frame, we know how to charge lipos and solder terminal and setup controllers etc.... They don't. And with the Inspire, they don't need to learn all that stuff

THEY outnumber US about 1000:1    THEY are the market, we are a bunch of amateurs that will also buy a few thousand of theses things

buy it, fly it, get the shot, put it away... And IF its lost or broken, it was still cheaper than hiring someone, or a boom rig for a day even...

You keep harping on about the following like they're bad things:
1. fully integrated
2. ease of use

And then you go on saying: dude, WE KNOW HOW TO CHARGE LIPOS, WE KNOW HOW TO SOLDER.

When was the last time you said that about your laptop's LIPO? Don't you appreciate the fact than you plug the wallplug in, and your laptop takes care of charging without your intervention?

Again, what is wrong with that?

Have you once disassembled your laptop battery and had a look inside? You do know that you can swap out a dying Lipo for a cheaper one? Those are very low C rated, you can put in higher C for reliability.

I've done many such things before. Not anymore. Fully integrated and ease of use is what I buy - I spend money to save time on doing stupid things like soldering terminals if I don't have to do it.

Does using your laptop, make you LESS of a computer enthusiast? Do sysadmins suddenly forget all CLI scripting skills, just because they bought a Mac? It's silly to make the world seem black and white just because you think it's a cop out to embrace "ease of use" and "full integration".

Let me restate this a bit clearer so maybe my point gets across: just because you know how to put a CAR together, doesn't mean you're not part of the market that would buy a ready made performance car. Edit: one that is fully integrated, with independent traction control, etc etc. Tested for traction at all different speeds, crashed, improved, and retested. Something that very few of us have the financing for.


Finally, let me address yours, and what seems like a pain point for many others as well: WE KNOW HOW TO FLY. THEY DON'T.

I agree. It's a barrier that has prevented the safe operation of our flying machines for a very long time, due to truly experimental (read unrealiable) electronics. The nature of our hobby is we put these electronics into so many varieties of mechanical control systems, that it truly requires tuning skills of the builder and pilot to make it work.

However, it's changing. Great example: FBL systems for helis.

How many good and great RC pilots know how to recover their helis, if the FBL goes offline, or goes nuts? Try it out. My guess is, 1%. The reason this is not an issue these days, is because it rarely develops that kind of a fault, where suddenly, you lose all gyros and you have to manually bring the heli home.

So will it be in the multirotor world. With such market backing, DJI is leading the way, much to the scorn of haters. Automating certain aspects of flight, is NOT a bad thing. It's the future. In fact, it relieves even the best of RC pilots, some time and attention to do other things, you know... more useful things that MAKE money, such as lining up the shot. It is also the future, where if personal aerial travel becomes the norm, then automation is THE SAFEST option.

Saying that "YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO FLY" is contextual, and not with fixed expectations. It depends on how much automation is stable and acceptable at time of asking, that those aspects can be ignored.

Eg - how many of us drive manual cars today? How many new kids take their licence with an auto car, and have never touched a manual gear shift in their lives, nor even know what a clutch is?

Does that mean they don't know how to drive? Not today. But 30 years ago, yes!

Get my point?
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 12:36:06 PM by rchelijc »
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2014, 12:47:13 PM »
Quote from: Deet;1603267
ALSO of note

ALIGN are running 2 day seminars for new Align quad owners to assemble and configure the Align product

you don't need to spend 2 days on a course with the Inspire, training is not required, at all

That's called - ease of use in a properly integrated product.

My guess is: when droned TRULY become so widespread that regulators finally have the budget, the only machines allowed to fly will be those with MULTITUDES OF AUTOMATION in them.

With the sad state of DJI-haters, that means only DJI's will be allowed. They would have submitted for testing all their new flight models, and have proper numbers on:
 - failure rates
 - risk assessments
 - failure modes and mitigation controls

An unless a product can provide the same, you won't be able to fly them in public.

Edit: the reason I've removed the pilot's skills from the equation is because of 1 thing: the pilot's life is NOT at stake, unlike real pilots. Therefore the level of motivation is different. And because these machines operating near people have such a short window of recovery, that means no pilot will have fast enough reflexes. Automation will be heavily relied upon in future.

Edit 2: In case my point is missed, in a public setting, the licensed pilot who switches off any protective automation in a flying drone will have their actions logged, and probably arrested for public endangerment.

Aka, it'll be illegal to fly manually in a public setting.
« Last Edit: November 16, 2014, 12:55:43 PM by rchelijc »
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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2014, 01:16:41 PM »
I WILL SELL MY CLONES, if anyone wants them

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« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2014, 02:52:12 PM »
You two idiots are arguing the same point....
Unless I'm reading something I'm not

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« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2014, 03:04:32 PM »
HAHA. I haven't worked out if they are arguing yet???
A few.... Some on the wall, some in boxes.

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« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2014, 03:20:15 PM »
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You two idiots are arguing the same point....
Unless I'm reading something I'm not
We're both saying the same thing, but with different undertones.

I'm not sure it matters, but I sense a bit of disdain regarding the ease of use and market penetration of DJIs products, compared to what some of us here (me included) would say as cheaper And better options, except you need skills to put the bits together.

I'm saying, it's a good thing.

It's a bit subtle and easily missed when skimming through through the posts.
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« Reply #40 on: November 27, 2014, 05:33:55 PM »
LOL, ever wondered where the DJI designer got their idea from? Have a look at the draft posted on the skyhero's facbook page in April ;)

[ATTACH=CONFIG]58674[/ATTACH]

A fully closed system is a bad thing, full stop. Close sourced flight controller? oh, okay...Customised battery..What?!...Customised radio as well?! Forget it! Not even insterest in the price anymore.

What would I do if their flight controller playing up again? What if no one have their batteies in stock in AU and I need one tomorrow? What if their radio playing up due to interference? Send the whole thing back to DJI right? LOL, not with their track record of customer support ;)

I can understand a company trying to grow by doing crazy things, but this one is gone way too far, it's my drone or your drone hah?
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« Reply #41 on: November 27, 2014, 06:49:21 PM »
Hmm.. Tell that to a mate who benched his (not Ferrari, the other one) for months. He has an engine problem only a qualified Ferrari engineer could look at. He has to wait till the Melbourne F1.

What I'm saying is.. Yes, there is a market for closed system to, no matter the inconvenience.
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« Reply #42 on: November 27, 2014, 07:36:56 PM »
Quote from: Hunter;1603902
What if no one have their batteies in stock in AU and I need one tomorrow? What if their radio playing up due to interference? Send the whole thing back to DJI right? LOL, not with their track record of customer support ;)




Every camera stir in the country will have batteries for it

As to tech support.  What tech support?

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« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2014, 06:58:22 AM »
Maybe it will sell as good as tt inovator haha

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« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2014, 10:27:09 AM »
Quote from: helicraze;1603928
Maybe it will sell as good as tt inovator haha

Pre-orders alone have probably outsold the innovator by 100:1